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WikiSysop: /* Electronic mailing list */

2006-12-08T01:43:13Z

‎Electronic mailing list

WikiSysop: /* Discussion forum */

2006-12-08T01:36:08Z

‎Discussion forum

WikiSysop at 01:33, 8 December 2006

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WikiSysop at 01:25, 8 December 2006

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WikiSysop at 01:18, 8 December 2006

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WikiSysop: /* old notes */

2006-12-08T01:12:43Z

‎old notes

Dave at 21:31, 17 July 2006

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Dave at 21:23, 17 July 2006

2006-07-17T21:23:06Z

Dave at 21:21, 17 July 2006

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Dave at 19:00, 9 July 2006

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 It is the second type that concerns us here.
-***E-mailing list archive - [http://forums.e-democracy.org/brighton-hove/groups/bh/messages/view_threads E-democracy.org: Brighton & Hove], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mn-politics-discuss/messages Minnesota Politics Discussion (Yahoo Groups)]
+*Some e-mailing list archives:
-***[http://wiki.e-consultation.org/show_image.php?id=48 creating an e-mailing list]
+**[http://forums.e-democracy.org/brighton-hove/groups/bh/messages/view_threads E-democracy.org: Brighton & Hove], **[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mn-politics-discuss/messages Minnesota Politics Discussion (Yahoo Groups)]
-***E-mailing list software: [http://groupserver.org/ GroupServer], [http://www.list.org/ Mailman], [http://www.sympa.org/ Sympa], Adaptive Mailing List, Arrow Mailing List Server, Dada Mail, DoList, Ezmlm, Infacta GroupMail, ListServ, MajorDomo, and others
+*E-mailing list software: [http://groupserver.org/ GroupServer], [http://www.list.org/ Mailman], [http://www.sympa.org/ Sympa], Adaptive Mailing List, Arrow Mailing List Server, Dada Mail, DoList, Ezmlm, Infacta GroupMail, ListServ, MajorDomo, and others
 [[Image:Dublin_forum.png|right|thumb|discussion on Dublin]]

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 To read messages, and reply to them, participants need to visit the discussion forum web site. Few people do this more than once every day or two. So the discussion can move at a slower pace than in a mailing list (particularly if there are not many participants). But as people choose to visit at times convenient to them, they are not overwhelmed by the volumen of messages.
-**[http://www.adviceni.net/econsultation/default.asp AdviceNI - Tax Credit Overpayments]
+*Examples
 **[http://www.dublin.ie/forums/ Dublin.ie - city community forum]
 **[http://www.e-consultation.org/phpBB2/index.php creating your own discussion forum]
 **Discussion forum software: phpBB, ASP-DEv XM Forums, DiscusWare, dotNetBB, InstantForum.NET, Invision Power Board, Jive Forums, SiteNet BBS, Snitz Forum, Ultimate Bulletin Board, vBulletin, Yazd Discussion Forum, YaBB forum and others

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 If you don't need discussion and reactions, but just the ordinary opinions of people who haven't deliberated on a subject, then use online surveys for [[measuring needs and preferences]] or collect their stories for [[identifying issues]].
-*Electronic mailing lists
+==Electronic mailing list==
-**all subscribed individuals automatically receive e-mails sent to the list
+All subscribed individuals automatically receive e-mails sent to the list. Their replies go to everyone on the list.
-**Newsletters - email information releases - one to many - not for deliberation, for telling people about the consultation
-**E-mail mailing list - many to many - supports ongoing discussion
+So they get reminded to participate whenever they check their e-mail. This can speed up participation, unless there are so many messages people leave.
 ***E-mailing list archive - [http://forums.e-democracy.org/brighton-hove/groups/bh/messages/view_threads E-democracy.org: Brighton & Hove], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mn-politics-discuss/messages Minnesota Politics Discussion (Yahoo Groups)]
 ***[http://wiki.e-consultation.org/show_image.php?id=48 creating an e-mailing list]
 ***E-mailing list software: [http://groupserver.org/ GroupServer], [http://www.list.org/ Mailman], [http://www.sympa.org/ Sympa], Adaptive Mailing List, Arrow Mailing List Server, Dada Mail, DoList, Ezmlm, Infacta GroupMail, ListServ, MajorDomo, and others
 [[Image:Dublin_forum.png|right|thumb|discussion on Dublin]]
-*Discussion forums
-**an on-line service that allows registered users to post questions and responses to other posted questions. In a discussion forum participants with common interests can exchange open messages and develop their arguments.
+==Discussion forum==
 **[http://www.adviceni.net/econsultation/default.asp AdviceNI - Tax Credit Overpayments]
 **[http://www.dublin.ie/forums/ Dublin.ie - city community forum]
 **[http://www.e-consultation.org/phpBB2/index.php creating your own discussion forum]
 **Discussion forum software: phpBB, ASP-DEv XM Forums, DiscusWare, dotNetBB, InstantForum.NET, Invision Power Board, Jive Forums, SiteNet BBS, Snitz Forum, Ultimate Bulletin Board, vBulletin, Yazd Discussion Forum, YaBB forum and others

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 ***E-mailing list archive - [http://forums.e-democracy.org/brighton-hove/groups/bh/messages/view_threads E-democracy.org: Brighton & Hove], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mn-politics-discuss/messages Minnesota Politics Discussion (Yahoo Groups)]
 ***[http://wiki.e-consultation.org/show_image.php?id=48 creating an e-mailing list]
-***E-mailing list software: [http://www.list.org/ Mailman], [http://www.sympa.org/ Sympa] and [http://groupserver.org/ GroupServer], etc.
+***E-mailing list software: [http://groupserver.org/ GroupServer], [http://www.list.org/ Mailman], [http://www.sympa.org/ Sympa], Adaptive Mailing List, Arrow Mailing List Server, Dada Mail, DoList, Ezmlm, Infacta GroupMail, ListServ, MajorDomo, and others
 [[Image:Dublin_forum.png|right|thumb|discussion on Dublin]]
 *Discussion forums
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 **[http://www.dublin.ie/forums/ Dublin.ie - city community forum]
 **[http://www.e-consultation.org/phpBB2/index.php creating your own discussion forum]
+**Discussion forum software: phpBB, ASP-DEv XM Forums, DiscusWare, dotNetBB, InstantForum.NET, Invision Power Board, Jive Forums, SiteNet BBS, Snitz Forum, Ultimate Bulletin Board, vBulletin, Yazd Discussion Forum, YaBB forum and others

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 If you don't need discussion and reactions, but just the ordinary opinions of people who haven't deliberated on a subject, then use online surveys for [[measuring needs and preferences]] or collect their stories for [[identifying issues]].
+*Electronic mailing lists
 **all subscribed individuals automatically receive e-mails sent to the list
-**Newsletters - email information releases - one to many
+**Newsletters - email information releases - one to many - not for deliberation, for telling people about the consultation
-***subscribe a newsletter - [http://www.dublincity.ie/press_news/newsletters_notices/ Dublin City Council News]
+**E-mail mailing list - many to many - supports ongoing discussion
 ***E-mailing list archive - [http://forums.e-democracy.org/brighton-hove/groups/bh/messages/view_threads E-democracy.org: Brighton & Hove], [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mn-politics-discuss/messages Minnesota Politics Discussion (Yahoo Groups)]
 ***[http://wiki.e-consultation.org/show_image.php?id=48 creating an e-mailing list]
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 == Electronic mailing list ==
 * E-mailing list - many to many
 ** Adaptive Mailing List

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 **[http://www.e-consultation.org/phpBB2/index.php creating your own discussion forum]
-==old notes==
-   - these allow people to take part in a longer discussion over several days or weeks, joining in whenever they have time
 == Electronic mailing list ==
 * Newsletters - one to many

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 Some years ago David Newman studied how students discussed controversial issues online and in face-to-face seminars.<ref>[http://www.e-consultation.org/wikindx3/index.php?action=resourceView&id=146 Newman et al. (1997) Evaluating the quality of learning in computer supported co-operative learning]</ref> It turned out that discussion forums helped people link ideas together and justify them. There were fewer distractions than in face-to-face meetings, and the online record let people reflect on the issues, and write in a more deliberative style.
-If you want to get the reactions of different people to each others views on an issue, and get some reflection as well as immediate argument, then online deliberation is what you need.
+If you want to get the reactions of different people to each others views on an issue, and get some reflection as well as immediate argument, then online deliberation is what you need. Such ongoing discussions allow people to take part in longer debates over several days or weeks, joining in whenever they have time.
 If you don't need discussion and reactions, but just the ordinary opinions of people who haven't deliberated on a subject, then use online surveys for [[measuring needs and preferences]] or collect their stories for [[identifying issues]].
-*ongoing discussions
 **E.g. discussion forums, e-mail mailing lists and virtual worlds.

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−	For more subtle, and less rushed deliberation, arrange ongoing discussions, rather than quick chats. Any technology that facilitates a relay of responses or conversations can be used. Dialogue can be ~~public—in~~ an open environment ~~with multiple participants—or private—between two users~~. ~~Many~~ discussion forums ~~include both~~, ~~allowing participants~~ to ~~converse with~~ each ~~other outside~~ the ~~general discussion~~.	+	For more subtle, and less rushed deliberation, arrange ongoing discussions, rather than quick chats. Any technology that facilitates a relay of responses or conversations can be used. Dialogue can be public—-in an open environment which anyone can join-—or private-—between selected groups of participants.
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		+	Some years ago David Newman studied how students discussed controversial issues online and in face-to-face seminars.<ref>[http://www.e-consultation.org/wikindx3/index.php?action=resourceView&id=146 Newman et al. (1997) Evaluating the quality of learning in computer supported co-operative learning]</ref> It turned out that discussion forums helped people link ideas together and justify them. There were fewer distractions than in face-to-face meetings, and the online record let people reflect on the issues, and write in a more deliberative style.
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		+	If you want to get the reactions of different people to each others views on an issue, and get some reflection as well as immediate argument, then online deliberation is what you need.
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		+	If you don't need discussion and reactions, but just the ordinary opinions of people who haven't deliberated on a subject, then either collect stories or use online surveys.

	*ongoing discussions		*ongoing discussions